“I think we will only genuinely see moves into illiquids once there’s more industry consolidation. Investing in illiquids is a challenge, but I don’t think it’s an insurmountable challenge. You need scale and the resources to do it well, Master Trusts and I think LTAFs will make it easier.”
Alison Bostock, Independent Trustee at Zedra, agreed while price might be currently king, she thought as the market matures it it’ll be easier. “You can see this is all working well in the future,” she said. “We’ll be able to show members: here is what you could have won if you had chosen these types of assets and this is how the projections look going forward. I’m optimistic it will get there.”
Not all the DC market participants are driven by price, highlighted Roger Breeden, Independent Trustee at BESTrustees, “If you take other areas of the DC market where small firms are buying without advice, they’re buying on convenience and member experience rather than price.”
The UK government reform plans also include an exemption of performance fees, a common component in private market investing, from the annual 0.75% price cap on annual charges in DC default funds. But the roundtable experts were split about whether they are fair.
Emma Douglas, Managing Director of Workplace at Aviva said: “A performance fee is great, but how does it work without some level of unfairness? We probably need guidance around how that can happen. I've seen in the past where a fund’s performance fees have been accrued for on a daily basis.”
She concluded that if the issue of fairness can be solved, especially when investors go in and out of funds daily, DC members would be much more open to the idea of performance fees.
The Productive Finance Working Group in their ‘Roadmap for Increasing Productive Finance Investment’ outlined there’s “widespread agreement on the need for innovative industry solutions for reconciling investment in less liquid assets with performance fees.”
Some of their suggestions for DC schemes included linking performance fees to realised profits, accrual methodologies for performance fees, and principles for typical hurdle rates for performance fees across different asset classes.
What is the best way to invest in illiquids?
Diversification of assets is also key when investing in illiquids, participants agreed. They thought they should be allowed to invest in assets wider than the UK market, although the government has mooted forcing schemes to invest a proportion of their assets only in UK companies to help stimulate the economy.
Arnab Das, Global Macro Strategist at Invesco talked about the fact that world economies are going through structural shocks and trends.
In recent history, this started with the Global Financial Crisis. Then there was the Eurozone Crisis. More recently, in Europe there’s been a domestic socio-political crisis (Brexit, rise of populism/nationalism) and geopolitical crisis (US-China tensions; Russia’s war). The global natural environmental crises (COVID, climate change) as well as technological disruption and demographic change. Now, the banking crisis has reignited.
These are clear examples of the need to and importance of diversifying asset classes.
Illiquids also give investors a lot more investment opportunities. “More than 50% of investment opportunities in the world that are not listed,” said Warwick-Thompson. “So, if you say I’m not going to invest in illiquids, you’re only investing in a fraction of the market available to you and how is that likely to be good for your members?”
It’s also another way of giving DC pensions environmental, social and governance (ESG) access. However, the participants pointed out ESG could be difficult to measure in illiquids, but if it was integrated it could be a better way to access ESG.
Aleck Johnston, Head of DC Investment Product at USS, explained that by investing in illiquid assets it’s also an opportunity to go on an ESG transition journey with them. “The companies we are owning aren’t necessarily Paris aligned or have done the heavy lifting,” said Johnston. “Part of owning a private company is doing that work with the company. There’s quite an alignment piece with decarbonising the portfolio.”
Others concurred that investing in early-stage companies was a chance to improve ESG credentials.
Decumulation the nastiest, hardest problem in finance
When it comes to the final outcome for pensions, decumulation was very important for pension holders. The Nobel Prize winning economist William F. Sharpe called this one of the “nastiest, hardest problem in finance.”
“We’re going to have people with big pots but who are not well equipped to take those financial decisions,” said Ian Pittaway, Independent chair at Aegon (Ross Trustees, IGG).
For a good member outcome, there’ll be multiple decisions made over time. For example, the decision whether to draw down income or buy an annuity will likely need to be revisited over time. “I think the mistake we’re making now is to think there’s just one decision” said Warwick-Thompson. “Putting a support structure around that is absolutely critical and that’s more important in my view in what you do with the underlying investments.”